The specific guns that I own were bought in bulk from the military by a surplus store in Virginia. They were in use many many years ago for Navy SEAL training, beach training in Norfolk, VA. The Store in VA was having no luck selling them, the only ones that were sold were sold through my brother and I here in the New Hampshire, about 10 guns. The shop owner realized that he couldn't sell them there and we could, so he made us an offer to buy the remaining 15 guns. My brother took 8 of them and I took 6, they are in the same condition that they were in when they were boxed up years ago. But now all the paint and old oil and sand had cemented everything in place. I don't have all of them cleaned up as of yet it is a work in progress. many still have the ID numbers that the Navy put on the stocks. I am looking to sell 4-5 of them, they will be in working condition, and if I have time the stocks will be refinished. If you are serious about wanting one you can get in touch with me at jhelblin@hotmail.com . E-mail me and I'll get you more information.